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#1 03/29/2010 5:47:30 am

iladi
InkJet Forum Newbie
Registered: 03/29/2010
Posts: 8

semigloss paper for pigment ink

hi everybody.

i have a mutoh RJ900 PRO, similar with an Epson 9800, filled with a swiss-made ink from signtrade. signtrade claims it is a premium pigment ink. i'm using this premium pigment ink and i'm not able to print on semi or gloss papers. where is heavy coverage ink rubs off very easily like a dust. i was trying various kinds of paper with no succes. any help, please?

thanx,
Adrian

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#2 03/29/2010 9:11:01 am

d1hamby
InkJet Guru
From: Maryland
Registered: 02/22/2010
Posts: 90

Re: semigloss paper for pigment ink

Pigment ink usually does not make very good photos. Your best bet is to find a heavy weight paper without a photo coating. Usually it is identified as cardboard sometimes as just heavy weight paper with a white side.


Canon BJC-3000, S820, Epson R500, Canon MP530 and MX860. All still working with non oem refills.

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#3 03/29/2010 10:39:39 am

The Hat
InkJet Master
From: Ireland
Registered: 01/18/2010
Posts: 367

Re: semigloss paper for pigment ink

iladi..
 
               Stay away from all coated paper with pigment ink. Just stick with the uncoated stock papers.


Current Printers:-  Canons on CISS :-  IP4300 / IP4500 / IP4700  / IX 4000
Canons with OEM Refill Cartridges:-  i865 /  Pro 9500 Mark II                                                                                           
Toner printers:- Brother 1240 / Samsung 1450 
Ciss:-Supplied by cityinkexpress & FotoRite inks + Pigment inks from Efillink. + KMP-U Black from Octoinkjet.co.uk

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#4 03/29/2010 11:11:47 am

iladi
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Registered: 03/29/2010
Posts: 8

Re: semigloss paper for pigment ink

thanx for answers. today i made a few more tests and i discover that black ink is ok, adhere well to a lustre paper. but no luck with CMY. since the original ink in the printer was dye, i'm shure i can safely use dye. i'm using the printer for CAD drawings, but also for paper posters. is the dye ink ok for CAD? how fade resistant is for photos? what dye ink do you use for epson heads? do you advice me to switch to dye?

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#5 03/29/2010 2:10:29 pm

qwertydude
InkJet Master
Registered: 05/07/2009
Posts: 295

Re: semigloss paper for pigment ink

You could also try a swellable paper like Epson's or HP's they work with pigment inks but take a long time to dry and are not waterproof but you get good results with it.

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#6 03/29/2010 7:29:20 pm

Grandad35
InkJet Master
From: USA
Registered: 02/23/2005
Posts: 1166

Re: semigloss paper for pigment ink

This HP article discusses some of this subject.  If you are printing high quality color images (posters), it is common to use pigment inks, especially if you need water resistance.  Pigment inks are printed on papers with a nanoporous coating (see the article), and offer good fade and water resistance.  Dye based inks can be printed on papers with either a swellable (better fade resistance, but absolutely no water resistance) or nanoporous (reduced fade and only slight water resistance) coating.  For CAD drawings, you aren't usually looking for color accuracy or image permanence, so regular paper and either type of ink should be OK.

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#7 03/30/2010 1:12:21 am

qwertydude
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Registered: 05/07/2009
Posts: 295

Re: semigloss paper for pigment ink

I find the porous papers to be completely waterproof, in fact with dye inks and a good paper like Kirkland or Kodak I find that the pictures are water proof even after 15 minutes in an ultrasonic cleaner which is no easy feat because even paper starts to disintegrate so if it's water proof in there it's waterproof 100%

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#8 03/30/2010 4:15:42 am

pharmacist
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From: Ghent, Belgium
Registered: 05/29/2007
Posts: 1188

Re: semigloss paper for pigment ink

Maybe it is not due to the papers but the type of ink you are using. I onced tried pigment ink (HP Vivera compatible) in my Canon i9950 (same as i9900) and it worked wonderfully well, but....the ink does not adhere well on almost any glossy photo printer. It was rubbed off very easily. Only matte papers and normal papers do well. My Epson Pro 3800 using Image Specialists K4 pigment ink does the job as it should be: vivid colours and no rub off. So your Mutoh if it is using a piezo-based print head should try to use a similar pigment ink like the IM-K4 ink.


Using Hobbicolors UW-8 ink + KMP-PMT pigment ink. Printers: Epson 1400 A3+ with Inkrepublic.com IRK4-nano pigment CISS, Canon MX850 AIO and now my latest purchase: an Epson Pro 3800 A2 large format printer + refillable T580x cartridges refilled with pigment ink from Precisioncolors.com.

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#9 03/30/2010 8:09:56 am

iladi
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Registered: 03/29/2010
Posts: 8

Re: semigloss paper for pigment ink

sorry no MIS supplier in europe. 6 to 10 day to ship in my country. how about lyson inks? they are closer big_smile

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#10 03/30/2010 3:07:14 pm

pharmacist
InkJet Master
From: Ghent, Belgium
Registered: 05/29/2007
Posts: 1188

Re: semigloss paper for pigment ink

yes Lyson should be OK, but I think there is a guy in Holland selling original pigment Image Specialists K4 ink.

This is the address:

phone: 0031-(0)45-54197722
info@refill-cc.biz
www.refill-cc.biz

His name is Robert Grafton and he is british


Using Hobbicolors UW-8 ink + KMP-PMT pigment ink. Printers: Epson 1400 A3+ with Inkrepublic.com IRK4-nano pigment CISS, Canon MX850 AIO and now my latest purchase: an Epson Pro 3800 A2 large format printer + refillable T580x cartridges refilled with pigment ink from Precisioncolors.com.

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